Almost every mass shooting in the past 20 years has one thing in common and guess what, it’s not only guns. It has been shown they all have or were taking powerful psychotropic drugs. There have been many studies in the past decade on SSRI (Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors) medications on the deadly side effects, including suicide and other violent behavior.

Depressed people are more likely to be prescribed the medication, and it’s definitely over prescribed in many cases. People have always had a natural ability to get over depression in time, HOWEVER, we have to consider the fact that 25 years ago mass shootings did not happen as often or in the percentage as they do now. Prozac came onto the market around 25 years ago and drugs in that category are now used by 20% of Americans. It seems like emotions are getting worse and not better, it also seems like we’re more and more unable to cope on our own without drugs.


When our children are acting out and have emotional problems, many parents choose to medicate instead of taking the time to find the root cause of the problem. It’s only a temporary bandaid to mask the issue. So how does making them dependent on these drugs help their mental health? It will just mess with the chemical balance in their brains further affecting mood, sleep cycle, and giving them a chemical dependency to these pills.

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Dan Roberts has the extensive list that shows how psychotropic drugs are linked in every case of murder and suicide:

  • Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
  • Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
  • Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
  • Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
  • Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
  • Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
  • Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
  • Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
  • A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
  • Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
  • A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
  • Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
  • TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
  • Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
  • James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
  • Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
  • Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
  • Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
  • Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
  • Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
  • Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
  • Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
  • Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
  • Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
  • Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
  • Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
  • Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
  • (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
  • Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
  • Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
  • Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
  • Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
  • A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
  • Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
  • Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
  • Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
  • Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
  • Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
  • Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
  • New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

  • What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
  • What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
  • What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
  • What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown, Ct.

These are powerful drugs that radically affect the psychology of the end user. While saying that “every” school shooter is likely wrong, you can find that “many” people who take these mind-altering substances can experience dramatic side affects. And just because it didn’t affect you negatively, doesn’t mean it can’t affect others. Two people go into a bar and get drunk – one gets melancholy and chills out, the other turns into an obnoxious jerk and starts a fight. The same substance can affect two people very differently.



The said actions of many are to often having the blame passed, I say it’s time for our world to show some self responsibility for one’s own actions. When I was a child the behavior of most children I see on drugs today was simply passed as “being a kid”. When a small child is put on these drugs it not only alters their moods but takes away their childhood, we are seeing a generation of zombies fueled by big pharmaceutical companies.



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  1. Daanav Pratik says:

    I wondered how the fuck did these children aged 12-13 got access to guns, then again i told myself, ‘why not, its fucking America’.

    • Charles Vincent says:

      Would you like a tissue and some cheese?

      • Was that really necessary of you? Her comment had no wine whatsoever.

        • Charles Vincent says:

          Yes it was. And behold the whine “why not, its fucking America’.”

          • No, that’s not whine… that’s snark… or resolve… or resign.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            In your opinion perhaps.

          • Just as it was your opinion that the OP was whining. Or, what… your opinions are facts?

          • Charles Vincent says:

            You’re making a leap in logic again in the case of the comment here I never cliamed it was a fact on my part although it is a fact that I believe she was whining.

          • Sorry, then. I guess I have a better time keeping my snark to myself than you do… as your comment was still wholly unnecessary.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Again that’s your opinion. Using your metric her comment was also unnecessary as well.

          • Not really. She was leaving a comment on a website. Something any of us can simply look over and move on to the next thing. You chose to be a douche to her, though she was not rude to you directly. Me? I’m just easily irritated by people like you. So, I like to work out the angst every now and then. In all reality… I find it hard to believe you to have any decent form of discussion with someone online when you’re opening comments have been what you posted here… drivel.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            “Not really. She was leaving a comment on a website”
            And I wasn’t?

  2. The medication of choice for my children was a firm application of instantaneous pressure to the gluteus maximus. The only side effects were respect for authority and the understanding of the word “NO”.

    • Are you aware that there are other, non-violent ways of teaching children to respect authority and understand the word “NO”?

      • Sounds like you’re in need of a “Time Out”. Let me know how that works for you.

        • Is it really my fault that you cannot perceive the vast space in between hitting your child and using a silly “time out”?
          Come on… you’re an adult. Be creative… BE SMARTER THAN YOUR CHILD.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Please supply any data on the negative effects of spanking a child in relation to violence.
            Said data needs to be correlated to causation.

          • Spanking IS an act of violence.
            Tell me something… when your children hit each other, do tell them not to, right? You tell them that good kids don’t hit each other. Yet, an adult can come around and hit a child as a form of discipline and it’s ok? You may have forgotten, as most people do, what it’s like to be a child w/ a child’s brain. The lesson you think you’re teaching them is not the lesson they’re learning.
            Respect for others and “authority” can be gained w/o the need to instill a fear of punishment.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Let’s break this down, I want you to supply data the links spanking a child with being one of the causes of adults violent behavior.

            The second part is a false dilemma. Children aren’t charged with the task of teaching their siblings how to grow into productive adults. That’s the parents job. Moreover children instigate conflict with other children and or siblings.

            I was spanked as a child when it was necessary and an appropriate punishment.

            Lastly as to your comment here;
            “You may have forgotten, as most people do, what it’s like to be a child w/ a child’s brain. The lesson you think you’re teaching them is not the lesson they’re learning.”

            Again please provide peer reviewed data that verifies your hypothesis.

          • Ah, you’re one of those “it was done to me, and I turned out fine” people. I was once like you. I was spanked. I truly believe that I wasn’t spanked out of anger or violence. I even thought that I turned out just fine. Well… the truth is… I didn’t. And… despite your best held beliefs… you didn’t either.
            What’s the need for peer-reviewed science to point out what is plainly obvious? Or, is it not plainly obvious to you? If you have to result to hitting your child, if you cannot find a different solution to discipline… then you’re not so smart as you think you are.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Ahh ad lapidem, you dismiss my claim but provide no proof that I am wrong.

            Then the ad hominem from you “If you have to result to hitting your child, if you cannot find a different solution to discipline… then you’re not so smart as you think you are.”

            Amd the nice leap in logic that I think spanking is the only option. Lovely, please learn how to argue logically.

          • I find it laughable that you want peer-reviewed science. Do you base all of your life decisions on that? Are you so lacking in empathy that you cannot see that violence (hitting) only begets violence? Or… was it spanked out of you?
            My leap in logic wasn’t quite a leap. You’re defending a practice that teaches children that it’s ok to hit. YOU are the one who jumped in to defend it. You could have offered a whole plethora of options along with spanking, but you did not. So… you laid the ground work for a crap argument. I just took your words and ran with them.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            What I find laughable is you claimed and I quote “Well… the truth is… I didn’t. And… despite your best held beliefs… you didn’t either.” to which I asked and had previously asked that you provide peer reviewed science that proves your assertion that’s parking a child causes that child to have violent tendencies as an adult. Still waiting on your proof to make an appearance.

            “Are you so lacking in empathy that you cannot see that violence (hitting) only begets violence? Or… was it spanked out of you?”
            ^^^^^^^^nice you are batting three for three here with a moral high ground fallacy^^^

            “You’re defending a practice that teaches children that it’s ok to hit.”

            Again where is your proof this happens. This comment and the rest of your comment above are onus probandi A.K.A shifting the burden of proof and another logical fallacy argument.

          • CharInOhio says:

            Yep apparently they didnt bust your ass near enough …..you turned out to be one of those liberal activist types that THINKS “talking to your child” or giving them “time outs” works lol ……..Then , five minutes later they are acting mean as hell again , worse next time and laughing at you as you sit them in the corner …..AGAIN ……

          • CharInOhio says:

            SURE IN SOME CASES ……there are “other ways” to discipline …..NOONE SAID ……..THE ONLY WAY to discipline was spanking …..where did you get that from ? BUT ……you rule out spanking altogether ……and sometimes …..ITS “NEEDED” ……….

          • Eloise1976 says:

            Then pop some pills, put yourself in the corner and you will be just fine…

          • dpward1974 says:

            No spanking your child is an act of love, not violence. I wish that I had spanked my own kids. I grew up quite a bitter different than my kids did. The difference is that I was spanked as a child, my children were not. Now they have very little respect for me or any other authority, The “time out” punishment does not work, and you will eventually learn that for yourself.

          • Ummmmm… that your children have very little respect for you or any authority has nothing to do with the fact that you didn’t spank and and opted for “time out” instead. I’m willing to bet, quite surely, that you struggled during the boundary-pushing/setting phase during the 2-3y/o phase. Once a child learns that you actually won’t enforce the boundary that you set, well… you get what you created.
            Spanking is not act of love. It’s what people do when they don’t know how to do better.

          • Eloise1976 says:

            Wrong…. But who can tell a person who really has a limited amount of experience. I had a great parents who did both and knew when and how to apply them. And I was given the blueprint on how it works…. And when I had kids, I saw how it worked and they were right. But this was also given to me by the generation that put personal responsibility in the front… Not the blame game. Hard to fault two parents with a 9th grade education who managed to build a multi million dollar business and raise 4 kids that are all successful, one of which to being the chairman of a state college and a hospital at the same time. One to be a highly decorated law enf. officer. One to run a chamber of commerce and one to be in charge of the management of a school for at risk kids. And the four of them have raised successful kids to include health care and military… Not one single arrest, not one single mishap…. All disciplined, all loved. All taught. And to this day, 5 years after the death of the father, , people from all over still talk about his greatness, his love, his helping of others. And I can tell you this some of those people were not his kids, but he often was a father figure for them and some got some of the same tough love. And they were thankful to have a strong loving hand. Enjoy your welfare country of pansy psychos needing a time out..

          • The vast majority of spankers don’t use that as the first and only punishment. It’s quite often a last resort punishment after all others are exhausted and shown to be useless.

          • That’s part of the problem. TOO MANY people have not been instilled with the fear of punishment.

          • Eloise1976 says:

            And you would be wrong…. You have a blinded PC view of what a spanking can mean. Spanking is not an act of violence. And by the same token, your kids need to learn what violence is in the aggressive manner and what it is in the defensive manner. People who are taught well will be the leaders that you work for. The military and police that defend you. The ones that do not will be the ones that take from you. And the ones that do not understand are the ones that often will let people take from them. They do not know how and where too stand. Discipline is backed up with love and support. It is a life long job. Some kids may never need it. Some need it a lot. Train your child up the way they should go…. If not the government will lie to them and do it for you and keep them so dang confused they will never be able to find the truth……

          • There is a difference between “hitting” a child, and using physical discipline. If you just smack your child, that’s wrong, because it’s done in anger and doesn’t teach them anything. A spanking in our home was preceded by three things:
            1) A clear understanding of what spanking offenses were (there weren’t many)
            2) A clear warning that the behavior was heading toward a spanking and needed to change.
            3) A calm discussion about boundaries and consequences for breaking them.

            After the spanking were hugs, affirmations that we still loved the child, and an expressed desire to not have to spank them again. Raised 3 kids that way, and they all turned out to be very respectful people.

          • Makoto Phoenix says:

            just so we’re clear – the phrase “needs to be correlated to causation” makes no sense in terms of modern observational human study and our access to human trials. causal inference can exist, but true randomization has to occur in the selection process and the allocation of the units for objective causality, which is very rarely possible these days (because human rights and also the need for humans to make choices on their own) – there are observational studies which are still effective without approaching statistical causality by which I’m assuming you mean we can somehow within 99% efficacy somehow objectively prove hitting your kid causes or doesn’t cause negative effects. We also can’t prove the tooth fairy doesn’t exist but that’s also a silly way of looking at things, and from reading your other responses it seems like you’d agree with me. So if you would care to be reasonable about it, here is the findings of a study related to your question: http://www.apa.org/pi/prevent-violence/resources/violent-behavior.aspx

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Let me clear it up for you then correlation doesn’t equal causation and it’s a type of logical fallacy argument. When I get home I will expound a bit more.

          • Makoto Phoenix says:

            yes we’re on the same page – which was my point above and why i questioned the statement “data needs to be correlated to causation” in the first place. and that instead in modern observational studies we have causal inference. my degree required study of correlation and causality in statistics and finance, so i’m sure we see eye to eye on logical fallacies.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Good if you understand staistics the first thing that should have jumped out at you was the 134 people where used in the study. According to statistics the number of people needed to be a representative sample is 1000. Second is they use children that already had issues. Third they admit the study used methods that weren’t representative. Fourth the study isn’t linked only the site that mentions the study and there is no DOI number to find the peer reviewed study.

          • Data. Simple the end product justifies the means. It is called RESPECT.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Not sure what your point is.

          • No I did not figure you would. Your agenda does not allow for it.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Or your statement was either equivocation or shrouded in ambiguity. Moreover it’s much smarter to ask questions to clarify someones intent than to assume.

          • Kyna Childs says:


          • Charles Vincent says:

            I get a 403 forbidden error when I try to use the link.

          • Kyna Childs says:

            see link ..and there are many more..just because something has been done a certain way for centuries doesnt make it right..I would think as humans that we have evolved..and with this process comes knowledge..and believe it or not there is a lot of evidence that links hitting your child to negative permanent lasting effects in their brain as well as their future relationships in life.

          • Charles Vincent says:

            That’s what the last guy claimed here are the highlights of his attempt.


            my reply following his assertion;

            Good if you understand statistics the first thing that should have jumped
            out at you was the 134 people where used in the study. According to
            statistics the number of people needed to be a representative sample is
            1000. Second is they use children that already had issues. Third they
            admit the study used methods that weren’t representative. Fourth the
            study isn’t linked only the site that mentions the study and there is no
            DOI number to find the peer reviewed study.

            I await a re-post of your peer reviewed study that links causation and correlation.

          • Earl Devendorf says:

            first off , you’re teaching your child it’s o.k. to hit . time outs work , so does taking away a phone or a game . there are other non-violent ways to discipline a child . the key is to be firm , fair and consistent while maintaining respect . you will always be an example to your child . not an easy task . just saying .

          • Charles Vincent says:

            Look I was spanked as a child and I understand that it was a consequence of not behaving properly, I don’t go round hitting others and neither does my oldest whom has been spanked an a couple occasions. My younger two haven’t needed corporal punishment because other methods work to get the point across. None of the three have any issues or problems because they also understand that their actions had and do have consequences.

          • OK, anseio, I’ve given you two opposing options for raising respectful, intelligent children into adulthood. You have repeatedly dismissed them both, yet have not, yourself, responded with any other options. What’s your solution for saving the world?

          • Eloise1976 says:

            He will wait to see what the liberal tells him to do…. And mind you in all of their intelligence I will bet are pro abortion…. The irony….

          • You still have not answered the man’s question. How does that work?

          • How does what work? Time Outs… or being smarter than your child? Guess that’s a matter of intelligence & creativity, isn’t it?

        • CharInOhio says:

          IT DOESNT …..a good ole fashioned arse bustin DOES work ……..I didnt say injure or kill the child ……..but a good whoopin is how most grew up learning respect …….its worked all that time ……..Just sayin ……

      • Well, THAT IS Kinda THE PROBLEM now..NO..Ass whoopins

      • Eloise1976 says:

        Spanking a child is not a means of violence. Sorry you were raised not being fully aware of life…. I do believe in a firm consistent act an often a spanking is the trick. You will find that a quick negative pain stimulus matched with the word no will imprint on a small child a better meaning. And when that day comes the dart toward danger and hear the word no, they stop. Love you kids, if the need a spanking do it as they are younger and the need will go away as they get older. As they get older teach them with other means. Yard work, house work. Keep them busy. When they feel down and they will, tell them it is normal, but it is not the end. Show them out to be better. If you never live your life well and just cower to every PC pressure out there, you will be one to raise a kid like this. You will not find any of these kids to have been involved in sports, outdoor fishing or hunting. Church, or other groups. Be the dang parent and stop listening to the Pres or any liberal about raising kids. And YES, drugs are the PC way of skirting your responsibilities as a parent. Kids have to be raised. No kid has to be taught to be bad. You have to teach them to be good….. And drugs just cover the issue. Depression is natural experience we all have at times…. Redirect them, teach them, show them.. Or be pansy sheep for the government to fleece..

      • You apparently have not tried to reason with a two-year old who doesn’t yet grasp the necessity of a safety issue. They don’t understand words yet. They do understand pain. Not all forms of discipline, including spanking, work with all children. You have to find what works for yours, and use it consistently.

    • Best solution IMO

  3. DemocraticSocialdude says:

    The article doesn’t prove that anti depressants causes them to commit mass shootings. It only says that they were taking said medication. If the article provided some peer reviewed study that showed a causer instead of a correlation then it would be correct.
    However, with that said the article does make a decent points. The over use of pharmaceuticals in our country is crazy. The hold that pharmaceutical companies have on physicians is intense.
    But the biggest kicker in this piece is that at the end the have to blame Obama. As if these
    companies weren’t doing this until he became president.

    Another kicker is the fact that a way to change this trend is to have government mandates that regulate the way pharmaceutical companies and physicians operate. But hey man government cannot do anything that could even remotely by social.

  4. max_hedroom says:

    Kids need love ❤ and attention. Hugs not drugs. But in th Prozac nation kids are treated like furniture and doctors are incented to use powerful drugs to mask the symptoms of indifference ans abuse.

  5. Also Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Emperor Nero and mass murders throughout history were on antidepressants. Oh wait , no they weren’t. People do horrible things to each other for many reasons, considering that the long term historical trends in homicide rates have dropped throughout the world and the acceptance of killing someone for being part of another tribe, country, race , sexual orientation and culture is getting lower and lower we must maybe see these people for what they are and discover the true root of the problem. Yes antidepressants can cause violent tendencies , even ADHD medication can cause paranoia, however the underlying cause for these murders , the reason these people were killed is not just because of the drugs they were taking . Certain drugs may add to their psychosis but there is a reason that we don’t have to fight off a ‘zombie horde’ of everyone taking anti depressants. I read a book called Catch Me a Killer by Micki Pistorius , a criminal profiler who looked into the background of some of the most horrible serial killers in South Africa. Most had underlying problems or a horrible history of abuse, neglect, anger and self image issues. Many killers speak about killing that which has spurned them (prostitutes, women) or killing people who reminded them of their weaker selves (one man killed small boys to ‘protect’ them from the cruel world). These people are obviously delusional but blaming murders on drugs instead of the person , prevents inquiry and public observation into factors that can actually attribute to violent behaviour and result in them using killing as a ‘reason’ to solve their problems. Some studies have even been done to look at why people with psychopathic tendencies become amazing doctors and CEOs. It was because they still seeked power and lacked empathy and that allowed them to make the logical decision. Other psychopaths are not raised in this way or had negative incidences which lead to them becoming killers or abusers. What these people did was wrong but how could it have been different if they were given a different path or outlet to their goals or vent frustrations. Blame the killer, identify the causes. Don’t go the easy road and blame drugs for a persons behaviour.

    *I am in no way a medical professional or psychologist so Im open to being proven completely wrong in my assumptions , just wanted to share my opinion and give a different viewpoint to the situation 🙂 Experience with this is knowing people on anti-depressansts who are chemically depressed and seeing them able to finally function, knowing people who combated depressions through exercise or hobbies and having personally been on a drug (concerta) which has made me paranoid in the past and looking into drug effects and how people interpret said effects *

    • I have always been opposed to taking adult anti-psychotic drugs and giving them to children whose brains and bodies are not fully capable of handling them. Reading this article doesn’t confirm or negate my opinion on the subject. I also have questioned cause and effect, is it the underlying condition that leads to the violence or is it the medication that enhances the illusions of the condition that causes the violence and suicidal tendencies. My problem with society is that for too many parents these days, it’s an easy choice. Get them diagnosed so they can go on medication so they can “fit in” with their classmates, have friends, not be picked on and their teachers will “like them” plus, they will stop being a pain in the ass. Problem is, they become a shell of a person, they still don’t fit in, and become “normal” they become quiet. They have just had a drug induced lobotomy. They are children, accept that they are going to be challenging because that is your job as a parent, to teach them how to be functional adults not hooked on drugs, end of story. My choice for my child who could have been diagnosed with ADD because he was highly intelligent, couldn’t sit still and didn’t relate to other children in his age group, was to teach him that it was mind over matter, and substance over appearance. Don’t believe what they say about you because that is a problem and insecurity within themselves, not your problem. You have other problems to overcome and here’s how we are going to do it, without medication. That is the unconditional love, not medicate them so they can fit into a society that I’m not sure I want them to fit into in the first place. Be unique, be yourself and be the best you can be. That’s all. Parents may need some help along the way from tutors and teachers and even therapists. If their child is still showing signs or developing signs of being psychotic in their late teens, then there might be a need for medication and removal from “regular” society unless and until they are no longer a danger to themselves and others. That’s my opinion, and I’m happy to say it worked for my child. Last year of HS in the fall and he is doing just fine. I have absolutely no worries that he will turn into a murderer, even though he has experienced bullying and the shallowness of others. He recognizes it as their problem, not his and he is happy!

    • Assuming this list is correct, it appears there’s a correlation between psychotropics and mass murders. Is there a causal relationship is the real question. I’m not a medical professional either, so I’d suggest that we’re not in a position to determine whether that causal relationship exists or not.
      I do think that the fact that other people not taking these medications are prone to violence does not negate the theory that psychotropics may have a role to play in these specific instances.

  6. Grady Jones says:

    This proves nothing

  7. Posty_McPostsalot says:


  8. Guns do not kill people drugs and democrats/Republicans do.

  9. There psychotic made killers,you can see it in there eyes, Like a deer in head lites

  10. Joshua Wilkerson says:

    There are seral ways to discipline ones child. To each its own.
    Now let’s get back to the topic, “what alters the mindstate?” Before we go off to beat our children, discipline or force any morality onto them, let’s take a look around our house. Do you believe it’s a good environment? Now let’s take a look around our community. Does everything meet your standards?
    Another thing that most discard as non-contributing factors to mental stability is a thing most humans do 3 times a day. EAT! Yet, we could give a shit less what we put in our body, all we care is that it taste good. So now here’s another survey. Are our children being feed to get the nutrition they need, or are they being feed garbage? Do they take vitamins? Etc… Here’s a little example I found on autism. https://www.autismspeaks.org/site-wide/constipation
    Point is, for a vast majority of mental problems, nutrition plays a role in anybody’s mental state.
    Another thing is keeping our children active and involved. Our body’s are not meant to be in a sitting position all the time, get your kids off their asses. It improves not only the body’s well being but also the minds well being.
    In conclusion, there’s a lot more factors than just discipline. Discipline (whatever your definition is for it) will only go but so far if our children’s mindstate is not in it.
    Stop feeding them drugs!

  11. Excuse me but you do not get over depression after a length of time. I also take medication for depression and I have never even thought about killing or hurting someone. The medication is not the problem the problem is with the person themselves. They need to let their doctor know that whatever they are on is not working. And why is someone (friend, family, boss) baker acting them.

  12. I began taking Psychotropic drugs at age 13, after I started running away from home, stealing, and skipping school, among other behaviors. At the time, the Psychiatrists I saw diagnosed me as schizophrenic, and diagnosed a variety of different drugs. I didn’t run away from home because I had bad parents or anything – I was just always extremely bored. School didn’t teach me anything I didn’t instantly absorb, and Mom always said I was too smart for my own good.
    Nothing really changed over the years, and I eventually wound up in juvenile, then in & out of prison 5 times. I never attacked people, just stole to support my lifestyle. My family eventually got tired of the same behaviors being repeated whenever DCFS or the Court returned me home. I can’t blame them, nobody (even me) knew what the hell was wrong with me, and nothing the doctors gave me changed that.
    It wasn’t until another inmate pointed out that I was doing life on the installment plan that I realized I had to try to break the cycle. (by this time, I had spent 14 years in & out of prison)
    I applied for admission to SWICC, the only all drug treatment facility within the IDOC at the time. I was denied, primarily because as a repeat offender, I was not eligible for extra “good time” by completing the program. I appealed, and my counselor asked if I seriously wanted to go. I said yes, I needed to change things, and I was accepted.
    Once at the program, I was somewhat ridiculed, because I was never a drinker, or heavy drug user. I smoked marijuana. I didn’t really care for the rigidity of the program, but did finally manage to get the diagnoses correctly. I am now diagnosed as being Bipolar, with Intermittent Explosive Disorder, along with a Social Anxiety Disorder.
    Anyway, I began taking Zyprexa, a psychotropic drug. They said it would “give time before I reacted” to the stimuli around me. From what I’ve read, the IED has to do with perceiving things differently than “normal” people – we read into every little thing. I took the drug for 10 years, but quit when my brother asked me to. He said it made me detached, like a zombie.
    I stopped seeing doctors & taking medication well over 6 years ago. In the 14 years since my last release, I have been arrested twice – once for possession of marijuana, and once for telling a guy I’d deck him if he touched me again. (Both were dismissed)
    I’ll admit, I DO have issues which should be addressed by a professional. I have been “self-medicating” all my life, and am not comfortable in a lot of social settings. But I also have a lot of responsibility now, and have my own book business. I’m not rich, but as a single, 52 year old male, my needs are simple. I do volunteer work from time to time, spontaneously give gifts to people I don’t even know, and try to enjoy life.

  13. And they say Marijuana is such a bad thing…..BTW. GOOD OLD ASS WHOOPIN Was our Depression meds. And if you got pissed off , U GOT YOUR ASS WHOOPED AGAIN..when is it gonna stop, when are we gonna learn to go after BIG Pharma. DO RESEARCH people , Those people are the Devil… WEED 4 LIFE

  14. Darlene Dennis says:

    It’s easier foe the government behind the killings, Shadyhook included, to slip something to those they choose to carry out the killings.

  15. Earl Devendorf says:

    how many mental health institutes have closed in the last 20 years ? how much funding for mental health has been cut in the last 20 years ? how many people do you see on the streets as opposed to 20 years ago that should be institutionalized ? half my caseload should be institutionalized . without the meds, things for them and us would be much worse . did all the mass killers take the meds they were prescribed or use alcohol with these meds ?

  16. Look at their eyes

  17. Jenny Griffith says:

    This is a scientology website. As like all of their propaganda, there is no evidence to support their claims.

  18. ssristories.net has over five thousand stories supporting this article. It is a real eye opener! I am an admin of a 2500 member group trying to help people to get off of the snri Cymbalta. The withdrawal from this “drug” is horrific and takes months to wean off of it to minimize the withdrawal symptoms. So far, in the last six to eight months 16 members have committed suicide. This does not count for the people that have died outright from the withdrawals and the side effects of the drug. It is that bad!!! Our membership is growing by 35 to 50 people daily and all are suffering and frightened because their doctors just told them to stop taking the drug along with telling people to taper off in two weeks. Doctors don’t seem to know about the dangers of these powerful drugs and it is a SHAME that these toxic drugs are still on the market. Big pharma wins again by putting dollars before human lives.

  19. monkeyshines says:

    The “Roof” guy saw the “truth”, and went about dealing with it the wrong way!, because when “THEY” do it, it’s OK. http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.de/2013/11/look-at-these-faces_19.html

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